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« on: January 19, 2012, 08:48:04 AM »

Today, Tom Brady should buy himself a cupcake, put a candle in it and blow.

It's the 10th birthday of the enforcement of the "Tuck Rule," or NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2, and one could argue it changed Brady's, the New England Patriots' and the Oakland Raiders' fates forever.

It was a snowy night in Foxborough ... wait, do we really have to go over all the details? Surely every football fan remembers what happened Jan. 19, 2002, in the AFC divisional-playoff game. The Raiders were up 13-10 with less than two minutes left when Brady pump faked a throw, was hit by Oakland cornerback Charles Woodson and the ball came loose.

The Raiders recovered the ball and should have been on their way to the AFC Championship Game in Pittsburgh. But someone pointed out the stupidest rule in the history of sports ...

NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2: When player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass - even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body.

The Tuck Rule made the play an incomplete pass, and New England's Adam Vinatieri hit a 45-yard field goal to tie the game and another kick to win it overtime.

"We were robbed, and I still get sick thinking about it," Woodson, now a Packer, said when the Raiders played Green Bay last month.

It gets worse.

Mike Pereira, then the NFL director of officiating, defended the call at the time. "I may agree that Brady was not trying to throw the ball" but "he never controlled it long enough to consider him a runner."

Pereira is now an analyst for Fox and he admits that the Tuck Rule stinks and should be changed. "A pass should only be ruled incomplete if the ball comes loose in the actual act of passing the ball," he said. "If it comes loose in the tucking motion, then it should be a fumble."

No Raiders fans, Pereira's home address is not in the book.

The Tuck Rule really got the ball rolling, pun intended, on the Patriots' dynasty, as they won three of the next four Super Bowls and set a record for most wins in a decade with 126.

"We got a few breaks and situationally, we made some plays," Brady said when the Patriots played the Raiders in October. "It was a game that, anyone who participated in that game, will certainly never forget."

Drew Bledsoe won't forget. He had been injured and there are some who think he would have won back his starting quarterback job if Brady lost to the Raiders that night.

The Rams might have won another Super Bowl that season.

Or the Raiders. They would lose their head coach, Jon Gruden. After Gruden and his new team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, routed Oakland in the Super Bowl a year later, the darkness hit. The Raiders lost 11 or more games for seven straight years.

"That was Jon Gruden's last game with the Raiders," receiver Tim Brown told ESPN. "And I don't know if it was, if it was a Freudian slip or not, but in the locker room he said, 'They are never going to allow you guys to win here.' "

They. The officials, the NFL, Pete Rozelle's ghost.

Maybe because it has been 10 years, Patriots players can let Raiders players have a shred of peace and satisfaction and just say, "Yeah, you were robbed."

How about defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who is both? He not only played in that game with the Patriots but is with the Raiders now.

"I was on the opposite side of it," Seymour said, grinning, "so I don't have a comment on it."

Do it for your Raider Nation ...

"I don't have a comment," he said, the grin now about to swallow his face. "What's funny is that me and (Steve) Wisniewski, Coach Wisniewski, we were lined up against each other that whole game."

I am sure Wisniewski thinks that's a hoot.

All right then, you Brady. (Hi, Gisele.) The world is your oyster. How about throwing the Raiders a few shrimp, after 10 years.

"You'll never get the right answer out of me that you're looking for," Brady said. "That's the way it goes."


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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 09:08:35 AM »

Damn 10 years ?

Remember that, was my mates 30th and i was in town, left early so i could watch the Pats/Raiders game. Weird game, because of the snow the crowd were so silent, eerie watching that game

Obvoiusly we know what happened at the end, still hurts me to this day. BUT if it was the other way round i wouldnt be that unhappy so i shouldnt complain that much

Said it then and i'll say it now, we had our chances to close it. Gruden i love but if you see his record of close wins its ridiculous, he goes prevent offense in the 4Q with the lead.  We had the ball, 2nd & 1, Gannon play fakes and Roland Williams is wide open and drops it, 3rd & 1, Crockett makes the yard and its all over and nope, gets stuffed for 0 and we punt and we know the rest. We had our chances that day and messed up, shouldnt have even come down to the tuck
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 10:13:54 AM »

We got robbed by Walt Coleman
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 10:15:40 AM »

Yep, just hated the way all the Pat fans were already leaving, not one Pat player was moaning about that call until Coleman came out with that wacky 'rule'.

But again i blame our team first, should never have even come down to that, make 1 yard and none of this controversy happens
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 11:52:34 AM »

Psj....it was a fumble, the whole country thought it was a fumble, all the sport media thought it was a fumble...we were robbed

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 12:11:20 PM »

Psj....it was a fumble, the whole country thought it was a fumble, all the sport media thought it was a fumble...we were robbed

Yep i'm with you on that, just meant if it was the other way round and Gannon fumbled, NE recovered and this crazy 'rule' changed it we wouldnt mind !

But we lost the game on those two plays when we should have got the first down and ran out the clock. That annoys me more as we had the chance.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 02:32:07 PM »

I'm the same as Woodson on this - I actually feel physically sick every time I think of it (even to this day).

This incident almost turned me off the sport completely at the time, I actually could not even watch a game until half way through the next season, it was all corrupted for me. Since then, I have been firmly of the 'Fuck the rest' attitude. I used to have a certain amount of respect for other teams and the league before this - now it's fuck em. Not saying I'm right with that reaction of course - but it is what is is.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 02:56:38 PM »

Thing is; they change the rule after that play....meaning that it was a fumble in the tuck rule game; then next season if the same thing happen then it was not a fumble....

it alkright saying if the Raiders did that or did this.....but at the end of the day it was a fumble and the Raiders have won the game...
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 09:03:31 AM »

it alkright saying if the Raiders did that or did this.....but at the end of the day it was a fumble and the Raiders have won the game...

Totally agree, it does annoy me big time, even 10 years later BUT what annoys me more is that we had chances to close the game but stupidly didnt.  Then we went into some prevent defense, all game long Brady didnt do much and then late in the game (and OT) he moved the ball downfield easy

Dont get me wrong i did love Gruden but the amount of games we were involved in which were 10 points or less with Gruden was HUGE.  He was the master of the prevent offense and so many times seemed to take it easy with the lead when we should have gone for killer blows (which i felt we did with Callahan in 2002)
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